plan 440Clean Environment by Creating Sewage System for Rural Egyptian Community

Summary

Its community based viable model to improve water quality, sanitation and public health in rural areas through low-cost sewage systems. Together Association has improved the traditional one chamber, stand-alone septic tank that serves one household by off

Background

Egypt’s main source of freshwater is the Nile River. The river supplies 56.8 billion m³ of freshwater every year, which represents 97 % of all renewable water resources in Egypt. Average rainfall in Egypt is estimated at 18 mm or 1.8 billion m³ per year. Furthermore, Egypt has four different groundwater aquifers: the Nile Aquifer, the Nubian Sandstone Aquifer, the Moghra Aquifer and the Coastal Aquifer.
These figures give the impression that Egypt is a water rich country and for the last 15 years, the vast majority of villages in the Minya Governorate (Upper Egypt) have been gradually connected to the drinking water network, leading to a significant increase of water consumption. While this has been a generally pleasing development, the increasing supply of water unfortunately has not been coupled with the necessary installation of related sanitation systems. This is because the high costs for government-proposed sewage systems (up-front investment of roughly $450 per citizen) often turn out to be too high for the small rural communities making up a majority of the Minya Governorate. Furthermore, widespread poverty and low levels of education have often prevented the rapid adoption of appropriate technologies through local initiatives or the private sector.
Going forward, the ministry's ten year development plan of 2010 continues to aim at delivering drinking water to villages, but does not sufficiently focus on developing the corresponding sanitation systems which are required. This is highly critical, because the free discharge of wastewater in streets and canals brings about serious consequences for the communities, such as the pollution of the ground and irrigation waters, damage to the foundations of buildings, and spread of harmful insects. As a result the proliferation of diseases is fostered, the local economy is negatively impacted (fewer days worked, bad harvests due to pollution) and social tensions among the villagers are created. The low quality of life and deterioration of the environment in the majority of rural areas in Egypt has also contributed to a loss of pride and sense of belonging to one's village and has accelerated the rural exodus.

Location

Malawi district , Minia Givernorate, Egypt

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  • 2 participants | show more

    egypt

    Juergen Puetz of PALMYRA

    On the face of it it makes sense to have a sewage/atewater treatment system moer or less using gravity as a delivery approach Have similar or other systems being implemented somewhere near the chosen place? Again, background info is not enough to give a clear feedback Juergen

    On the face of it it makes sense to have a sewage/atewater treatment system moer or less using gravity as a delivery approach
    Have similar or other systems being implemented somewhere near the chosen place?
    Again, background info is not enough to give a clear feedback

    Juergen

    • Sameh seif of Together Association for Development and Environment

      The System is a unique idea and implemented just by our organization, and this system is developed to serve the areas that lake of the sanitation service and far from the governmental sanitation system.

      The System is a unique idea and implemented just by our organization, and this system is developed to serve the areas that lake of the sanitation service and far from the governmental sanitation system.

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    Laurel Firestone of Community Water Center

    It is mentioned that a barrier to ensuring people adequate services is the upfront cost. What does on going operation and maintenance look like? Will folks in the community be required to pay a monthly fee and if so, what does that rate look like and is that an affordable rater for the residents? Finally, is the only barrier to connect...

    It is mentioned that a barrier to ensuring people adequate services is the upfront cost. What does on going operation and maintenance look like? Will folks in the community be required to pay a monthly fee and if so, what does that rate look like and is that an affordable rater for the residents?

    Finally, is the only barrier to connect to the larger sewer systems the upfront costs? Have you compared the pros and cons of connecting, i.e. long term benefits of having larger economies of scale?
    Maria

    • Sameh seif of Together Association for Development and Environment

      The system is a social service and to be obvious its not an economic project, the monthly fees which payed by the beneficiaries they already payed it to use the traditional way to get rid of the sewage and used water.

      The system is a social service and to be obvious its not an economic project, the monthly fees which payed by the beneficiaries they already payed it to use the traditional way to get rid of the sewage and used water.

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    maintenance

    Meera Hira-Smith of Project Well

    It is indeed a very good, large scale project. Here are my concerns, as per the internet research, please correct me if I am wrong, 90% of Malawi are based on agriculture and 53% are categorized as living below poverty line (BPL) so how do you expect this population to pay for the maintenance in the form of bill or tax that I understand wo...

    It is indeed a very good, large scale project. Here are my concerns, as per the internet research, please correct me if I am wrong, 90% of Malawi are based on agriculture and 53% are categorized as living below poverty line (BPL) so how do you expect this population to pay for the maintenance in the form of bill or tax that I understand would be 1/10th the cost of traditional system provided by the government? There is a great sustainability issue here that can only be assessed after the 1st project becomes functional and some sort of statistical evaluation is undertaken. Do you have any plan to do this assessment, if so, when?
    A question out of interest, do you need to pay any 'speed money or bribe' to obtain license in Malawi other than the stipulated fees?
    Thank you and all the best with this project.

    • Sameh seif of Together Association for Development and Environment

      please see attach the report of last project and the new Photo of our project . Thanks

      please see attach the report of last project and the new Photo of our project . Thanks

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    Current situation

    Rajesh Shah of Peer Water Exchange

    Dear Sameh and Team Together, You are doing an ambitious job by taking on the responsibility of the gov't (in most cases) and creating a sewage system for a village. A few questions about your current situation: Your summary is cut off, so i cannot tell what you meant by: "the traditional one chamber, stand-alone septic tank th...

    Dear Sameh and Team Together,

    You are doing an ambitious job by taking on the responsibility of the gov't (in most cases) and creating a sewage system for a village.

    A few questions about your current situation:

    Your summary is cut off, so i cannot tell what you meant by: "the traditional one chamber, stand-alone septic tank that serves one household by off ".

    Can you describe the current situation better? In the dry arid climate with very dry soil conditions does not water quickly go deep in the ground? Do your septic tanks dry up quickly and are more effective (esp. more than septic tanks in other places)?

    Maybe the current pits are not good. Would well designed septic tanks at a household (or group of households) level work?

    Thanks,
    Rajesh

    • Sameh seif of Together Association for Development and Environment

      Please see desiccation for the system components and you will understand the difference between the already existed traditional way and the technology of our system.

      Please see desiccation for the system components and you will understand the difference between the already existed traditional way and the technology of our system.

      • Rajesh Shah of Peer Water Exchange

        I have gone thru the documents and i am not clear what desiccation (or description) you are referring to. I understand the difference between existing and your system. My questions are around ways of improving the current system that do not involve large dependence on energy. Oil and energy are pretty abundant and cheap in Egypt which i...

        I have gone thru the documents and i am not clear what desiccation (or description) you are referring to. I understand the difference between existing and your system. My questions are around ways of improving the current system that do not involve large dependence on energy.

        Oil and energy are pretty abundant and cheap in Egypt which is not true for all the other locations that projects are being considered in.

        So the above question and the one below are related in that its enquiring about alternatives.

        Regards,
        Rajesh

    • Rajesh Shah of Peer Water Exchange

      I have gone thru the documents and i am not clear what desiccation (or description) you are referring to. I understand the difference between existing and your system. My questions are around ways of improving the current system that do not involve large dependence on energy. Oil and energy are pretty abundant and cheap in Egypt which i...

      I have gone thru the documents and i am not clear what desiccation (or description) you are referring to. I understand the difference between existing and your system. My questions are around ways of improving the current system that do not involve large dependence on energy.

      Oil and energy are pretty abundant and cheap in Egypt which is not true for all the other locations that projects are being considered in.

      So the above question and the one below are related in that its enquiring about alternatives.

      Regards,
      Rajesh

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    Alternatives

    Rajesh Shah of Peer Water Exchange

    When i look at your design, i see that the lift station (the common point in the village) acts like a settler. In your other projects how often do you have to pump it out? How often do you have to empty the sludge that gathers at the bottom? How do you deal with the gases there? I see a couple of other alternative design: A) you c...

    When i look at your design, i see that the lift station (the common point in the village) acts like a settler. In your other projects how often do you have to pump it out? How often do you have to empty the sludge that gathers at the bottom?
    How do you deal with the gases there?

    I see a couple of other alternative design:

    A) you could have all the sewage lines not come to the center, but to one edge of the village. You might have to start the sewage lines a bit higher at the far end of the village and have the final collection be a bit lower and maybe use a slightly wider dia pipe.

    This way you could avoid the pumping station altogether and build the treatment plant at the end with full gravity feed. This will save energy and costs and a process step.

    And you could capture the biogas at the first stage and provide fuel for cooking.

    B) have you considered anaerobic systems that will not need aeration or pumping? They could be fully gravity fed systems and not need any pumps.

    Thanks,
    Rajesh

    • Sameh seif of Together Association for Development and Environment

      1- In the rural areas we can not do without the pumping station because the nature of land is straight and the cost of dived the village for higher and lower area will be so expensive in comparison with cost of installing pump station. 2- The pump station is ensure massive power in pumping the water to ensure not remaining of any sediment...

      1- In the rural areas we can not do without the pumping station because the nature of land is straight and the cost of dived the village for higher and lower area will be so expensive in comparison with cost of installing pump station.
      2- The pump station is ensure massive power in pumping the water to ensure not remaining of any sediments in the lines.

      • Rajesh Shah of Peer Water Exchange

        In our community we have created an STP at one corner. So its fully gravity driven with no pumping at all. And using anaerobic treatment so no aeration is needed. The sewage from the furthest points travels over 500m and we have seen no problems (other than the occasional block). If ...

        In our community we have created an STP at one corner. So its fully gravity driven with no pumping at all. And using anaerobic treatment so no aeration is needed.

        The sewage from the furthest points travels over 500m and we have seen no problems (other than the occasional block).

        If your villages are not much bigger you might in the future want to consider a non-energy dependent system.

        Regards,
        Rajesh

    • Rajesh Shah of Peer Water Exchange

      In our community we have created an STP at one corner. So its fully gravity driven with no pumping at all. And using anaerobic treatment so no aeration is needed. The sewage from the furthest points travels over 500m and we have seen no problems (other than the occasional block). If ...

      In our community we have created an STP at one corner. So its fully gravity driven with no pumping at all. And using anaerobic treatment so no aeration is needed.

      The sewage from the furthest points travels over 500m and we have seen no problems (other than the occasional block).

      If your villages are not much bigger you might in the future want to consider a non-energy dependent system.

      Regards,
      Rajesh

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    Planning and project question

    Rajesh Shah of Peer Water Exchange

    Dear Sameh, Your project timeline is one year for this. How long did it take to execute the previous system? Do you feel your learnings will help you achieve this timeline? Your detailed budget reflects the organizations activity and commitment to this project. Do you have capacity or plan to be able to execute more than one such pro...

    Dear Sameh,

    Your project timeline is one year for this. How long did it take to execute the previous system? Do you feel your learnings will help you achieve this timeline?

    Your detailed budget reflects the organizations activity and commitment to this project. Do you have capacity or plan to be able to execute more than one such project presently or in the future? I believe you have a list of several communities where you want to implement treatment plants.

    Regards,
    Rajesh

    • Sameh seif of Together Association for Development and Environment

      The project construction process just take eight or nine months included the house connections, and the rest three months for operation and train the community on how to use and maintain the system. Our organization has an engineering administration with the ability to follow and implement several working sites at the same time. That i...

      The project construction process just take eight or nine months included the house connections, and the rest three months for operation and train the community on how to use and maintain the system.
      Our organization has an engineering administration with the ability to follow and implement several working sites at the same time.

      That is right we have a list of more than one hundred villages need the service studied by us and in coordination with governmental institution.

    • Sameh seif of Together Association for Development and Environment

      The project construction process just take eight or nine months included the house connections, and the rest three months for operation and train the community on how to use and maintain the system. Our organization has an engineering administration with the ability to follow and implement several working sites at the same time. That i...

      The project construction process just take eight or nine months included the house connections, and the rest three months for operation and train the community on how to use and maintain the system.
      Our organization has an engineering administration with the ability to follow and implement several working sites at the same time.

      That is right we have a list of more than one hundred villages need the service studied by us and in coordination with governmental institution.

    • Sameh seif of Together Association for Development and Environment

      The project construction process just take eight or nine months included the house connections, and the rest three months for operation and train the community on how to use and maintain the system. Our organization has an engineering administration with the ability to follow and implement several working sites at the same time. That i...

      The project construction process just take eight or nine months included the house connections, and the rest three months for operation and train the community on how to use and maintain the system.
      Our organization has an engineering administration with the ability to follow and implement several working sites at the same time.

      That is right we have a list of more than one hundred villages need the service studied by us and in coordination with governmental institution.

    • Sameh seif of Together Association for Development and Environment

      The project construction process just take eight or nine months included the house connections, and the rest three months for operation and train the community on how to use and maintain the system. Our organization has an engineering administration with the ability to follow and implement several working sites at the same time. That i...

      The project construction process just take eight or nine months included the house connections, and the rest three months for operation and train the community on how to use and maintain the system.
      Our organization has an engineering administration with the ability to follow and implement several working sites at the same time.

      That is right we have a list of more than one hundred villages need the service studied by us and in coordination with governmental institution.

    • Sameh seif of Together Association for Development and Environment

      The project construction process just take eight or nine months included the house connections, and the rest three months for operation and train the community on how to use and maintain the system. Our organization has an engineering administration with the ability to follow and implement several working sites at the same time. That i...

      The project construction process just take eight or nine months included the house connections, and the rest three months for operation and train the community on how to use and maintain the system.
      Our organization has an engineering administration with the ability to follow and implement several working sites at the same time.

      That is right we have a list of more than one hundred villages need the service studied by us and in coordination with governmental institution.

    • Sameh seif of Together Association for Development and Environment

      The project construction process just take eight or nine months included the house connections, and the rest three months for operation and train the community on how to use and maintain the system. Our organization has an engineering administration with the ability to follow and implement several working sites at the same time. That i...

      The project construction process just take eight or nine months included the house connections, and the rest three months for operation and train the community on how to use and maintain the system.
      Our organization has an engineering administration with the ability to follow and implement several working sites at the same time.

      That is right we have a list of more than one hundred villages need the service studied by us and in coordination with governmental institution.

    • Sameh seif of Together Association for Development and Environment

      The project construction process just take eight or nine months included the house connections, and the rest three months for operation and train the community on how to use and maintain the system. Our organization has an engineering administration with the ability to follow and implement several working sites at the same time. That i...

      The project construction process just take eight or nine months included the house connections, and the rest three months for operation and train the community on how to use and maintain the system.
      Our organization has an engineering administration with the ability to follow and implement several working sites at the same time.

      That is right we have a list of more than one hundred villages need the service studied by us and in coordination with governmental institution.

    • Sameh seif of Together Association for Development and Environment

      The project construction process just take eight or nine months included the house connections, and the rest three months for operation and train the community on how to use and maintain the system. Our organization has an engineering administration with the ability to follow and implement several working sites at the same time. That i...

      The project construction process just take eight or nine months included the house connections, and the rest three months for operation and train the community on how to use and maintain the system.
      Our organization has an engineering administration with the ability to follow and implement several working sites at the same time.

      That is right we have a list of more than one hundred villages need the service studied by us and in coordination with governmental institution.

    • Sameh seif of Together Association for Development and Environment

      The project construction process just take eight or nine months included the house connections, and the rest three months for operation and train the community on how to use and maintain the system. Our organization has an engineering administration with the ability to follow and implement several working sites at the same time. That i...

      The project construction process just take eight or nine months included the house connections, and the rest three months for operation and train the community on how to use and maintain the system.
      Our organization has an engineering administration with the ability to follow and implement several working sites at the same time.

      That is right we have a list of more than one hundred villages need the service studied by us and in coordination with governmental institution.

    • Sameh seif of Together Association for Development and Environment

      The project construction process just take eight or nine months included the house connections, and the rest three months for operation and train the community on how to use and maintain the system. Our organization has an engineering administration with the ability to follow and implement several working sites at the same time. That i...

      The project construction process just take eight or nine months included the house connections, and the rest three months for operation and train the community on how to use and maintain the system.
      Our organization has an engineering administration with the ability to follow and implement several working sites at the same time.

      That is right we have a list of more than one hundred villages need the service studied by us and in coordination with governmental institution.

    • Sameh seif of Together Association for Development and Environment

      The project construction process just take eight or nine months included the house connections, and the rest three months for operation and train the community on how to use and maintain the system. Our organization has an engineering administration with the ability to follow and implement several working sites at the same time. That i...

      The project construction process just take eight or nine months included the house connections, and the rest three months for operation and train the community on how to use and maintain the system.
      Our organization has an engineering administration with the ability to follow and implement several working sites at the same time.

      That is right we have a list of more than one hundred villages need the service studied by us and in coordination with governmental institution.

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    Metrics and long-term assessment

    Rajesh Shah of Peer Water Exchange

    In the "Metrics to be Measured" section, we want a list of measurable and trackable impacts you hope to achieve. Maybe it was not clear, but we are looking for specific metrics you will track at some frequency. As stated "PWX will soon offer the ability to track metrics (at differing frequency) to learn about actual operation and assess...

    In the "Metrics to be Measured" section, we want a list of measurable and trackable impacts you hope to achieve.

    Maybe it was not clear, but we are looking for specific metrics you will track at some frequency. As stated "PWX will soon offer the ability to track metrics (at differing frequency) to learn about actual operation and assess impact" with some examples.

    Your metrics #1 refers to the completion of the project and #2 is also a status rather something we can track with a graph.

    So can you provide some metrics that you will track that can be graphed as a time series? Could be water quality and water quantity (that gets used for irrigation).

    Thanks,
    Rajesh

    • Sameh seif of Together Association for Development and Environment

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.

    • Sameh seif of Together Association for Development and Environment

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.

    • Sameh seif of Together Association for Development and Environment

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.

    • Sameh seif of Together Association for Development and Environment

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.

    • Sameh seif of Together Association for Development and Environment

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.

    • Sameh seif of Together Association for Development and Environment

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.

    • Sameh seif of Together Association for Development and Environment

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.

    • Sameh seif of Together Association for Development and Environment

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.

    • Sameh seif of Together Association for Development and Environment

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.

    • Sameh seif of Together Association for Development and Environment

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.

    • Sameh seif of Together Association for Development and Environment

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.

    • Sameh seif of Together Association for Development and Environment

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.

    • Sameh seif of Together Association for Development and Environment

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.

    • Sameh seif of Together Association for Development and Environment

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.

    • Sameh seif of Together Association for Development and Environment

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.

    • Sameh seif of Together Association for Development and Environment

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.

    • Sameh seif of Together Association for Development and Environment

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.

    • Sameh seif of Together Association for Development and Environment

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.

    • Sameh seif of Together Association for Development and Environment

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.

      The metrics which sent previously is already measured and the focusing on the treated water quantity and the quality of this water and its availability for irrigation its depended on the beneficiaries number and the agriculture area around the village.