plan 538 Provide Sanitation Facility in the SC / ST Habitation of Colony, Thiruvalluvar Nagar, Karasanur Village of Vanur Block of Villupuram Dt, Tamil Nadu

Summary

There are 110 Households living in the colony / habitation of Scheduled Caste (named as Thiruvalluvar Nagar) in Karasanur Village. 11 Scheduled Tribes families are living in another street in the village in the Government (Poramboke) land. Individual t

Background

Presently the people are using the open space, agriculture area, water bodies for open defecation which is polluting the land, water and air. It also creates lot of problems among the land owner and the people who go for open defecation.
Palmyra, the facilitating NGO will focus only the SC/ST population for creating the sanitation facility for the need of the backward people in the village. The Village Panchayath will provide the infrastructure such as land, water supply with pipes, electricity for the common sanitation facility.
Palmyra has implemented the Tank Rehabilitation project in the village under ICEF project from the year 2000 to 2005.
We are implementing the sanitation project under PWX for the village (MBC families) from the period of 2013 to 2014 in Karasanur Village.

Location

Tindivanam, Villupuram District, India

Attachments

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    budget

    AR. Natarajan of Ekoventure

    1. Could you please provide the break up for the individual toilet construction. We have constructed the ECOSAN toilets in Pondicherry and Tanjore district using Ferro cement pans from CSR, Auroville (that took 20% of the cost of Pan towards loading, unloading and transporting to Tanjore District). It costed us at the maximum of Rs. 17,000...

    1. Could you please provide the break up for the individual toilet construction. We have constructed the ECOSAN toilets in Pondicherry and Tanjore district using Ferro cement pans from CSR, Auroville (that took 20% of the cost of Pan towards loading, unloading and transporting to Tanjore District). It costed us at the maximum of Rs. 17,000 in Tanjore. The budget provided here is Rs. 27,500.
    2. Also, please provide the break up for community toilets. Here it is mentioned that the maintenance cost is Rs. 50,000. Is it for 1 year?. After that who will bear the maintenance cost? It has been mentioned the users will be trained on operation and maintenance. What are the other costs involved in the maintenance?
    3. Whether these 20 families only will be allowed to use the community toilets? What will be the status of other 60 families in the village?

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    Budget

    Juergen Puetz of PALMYRA

    Dear Sir, Yes. People like flush type toilet with septic tank facility for the sanitation activity in the proposed project area of Karasanur Village. The septic tank construction cost is higher than the fecal collection pit in eco-san. The pan, door, toilet room, septic cost with construction cost comes to that much amount. Th...

    Dear Sir,

    Yes.

    People like flush type toilet with septic tank facility for the sanitation activity in the proposed project area of Karasanur Village. The septic tank construction cost is higher than the fecal collection pit in eco-san. The pan, door, toilet room, septic cost with construction cost comes to that much amount.
    Thanks,

    Dhanam

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    Maintenance of Community Toilet

    Juergen Puetz of PALMYRA

    Dear Sir, Yes, It is true. it is a challenging by using the toilet with clean and maintenance. Palmyra had experience in the field of watershed management, tank rehabilitation, safe drinking water projects implementation with community participation for planning, designing, implementing, maintenance and sustainable use of the resource...

    Dear Sir,

    Yes, It is true. it is a challenging by using the toilet with clean and maintenance. Palmyra had experience in the field of watershed management, tank rehabilitation, safe drinking water projects implementation with community participation for planning, designing, implementing, maintenance and sustainable use of the resource by the community.

    Our experience will help to this low income / poor needy people to device suitable mechanism to utilize the toilet in a proper manner with Village Panchayath support and the beneficiary participation.

    Thanking You,

    Dhanam

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    Regarding Your Discussion points

    Sandeep Srivastava of Shohratgarh Environmental Society (SES)

    Hi, As you discussed about people participation through meeting/discussion. I'd like to now what would be key points of discussion . So they can use toilets regularly. Thanks, Sandeep SES

    Hi,

    As you discussed about people participation through meeting/discussion. I'd like to now what would be key points of discussion . So they can use toilets regularly.

    Thanks,
    Sandeep
    SES

    • Juergen Puetz of PALMYRA

      Hi, Dear Sandeep, The key points are: Introduction about the sanitation project (PIA, Funder) Environment pollution - Open Deification Illness due to pollution Clean Environment Personal Hygiene Use of Toilet Maintenance of toilet Visit nearby successful sanitation activity Pre evaluation Feedback of use of toilet through qu...

      Hi,
      Dear Sandeep,

      The key points are:
      Introduction about the sanitation project (PIA, Funder)
      Environment pollution - Open Deification
      Illness due to pollution
      Clean Environment
      Personal Hygiene
      Use of Toilet
      Maintenance of toilet
      Visit nearby successful sanitation activity
      Pre evaluation
      Feedback of use of toilet through questionaire
      Invite Govt. Sanitation Related Officials / Medical Officers to motivate them to importance and use of toilet it in regular during the village meeting, / handing over the toilet.

      Thanks,

      Dhanam

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    Few questions Sekhar Raghavan, Rain Centre, Chennai

    Sekhar Raghavan of The Rain Centre (Akash Ganga Trust)

    Dear Sir, I have the following queries. 1. Can you briefly explain the design of the septic tank? The dimension, whether it is a two chamber or three chamber tank etc. It should not pollute the groundwater source. 2. What kind of periodic maintenance do these septic tanks require? Can the villagers maintain them on their own? 3. Does ...

    Dear Sir,
    I have the following queries.
    1. Can you briefly explain the design of the septic tank? The dimension, whether it is a two chamber or three chamber tank etc. It should not pollute the groundwater source.
    2. What kind of periodic maintenance do these septic tanks require? Can the villagers maintain them on their own?
    3. Does this village have enough water sources for use in toilets?
    4. Why ecosan was not considered as an option? Ecosan toilets will also provide urine and compost to be used in farming, if this village is of that type. Were the villagers sensitised about ecosan toilets.
    5. You have said that the villagers like flush type toilets. Have they been told about the consequences?
    6. What has been the previous experience of Palmyra in providing toilets and since when have they been involved in providing toilets? What has been the success rate
    7. A breakup of the cost of individual toilets.
    8. So far as the community toilets are concerned a large majority of cases have failed due to lack of ownership leading to lack of maintenance. A day to day maintenance is required and how is this going to be carried out? It has been mentioned that it will be done with the support of the panchayat. How dependable is it? When panchayat office bearers change the attitudes also change.
    9. Rs. 50000 has been allotted as maintenance cost for each community toilet. How was this figure arrived at?
    10. There is a government subsidy for toilets. Has that been taken into account in working out the cost?
    11. For villagers there is also a psychological problem in using toilets. Has that been taken into account while creating awareness about the need and importance of toilets?
    12. There are 121 households and how was this 30 chosen to be provided with individual toilets.

    • Juergen Puetz of PALMYRA

      Dear Sir, Thank you for your no. of questions asked 1. Toilet design pl. refer the sketch which is attached in the proposal. This sketch was designed by an officer, BDO who mainly involve in construction work. This sketch was placed infront of the beneficiaries with local mason to understand the plan for toilet construction . They...

      Dear Sir,

      Thank you for your no. of questions asked

      1. Toilet design pl. refer the sketch which is attached in the proposal. This sketch was designed by an officer, BDO who mainly involve in construction work. This sketch was placed infront of the beneficiaries with local mason to understand the plan for toilet construction . They like to construct as per the module.
      2. Leakage powder will mix with Cement not to enter ground water inside the septic tank as well the septic tank water will not pollute the ground water.
      3. .Normally the septic tank cleaning held in 5 to 7 yrs. The individual family designing the size of the septic tank according to the number of members in the family. The septic tank lorry people comes in summer time and load from the septic tank and reload it on the agriculture field during the summer which is being used as a compost
      4. Palmyra built Eco-San Toilet in Anumandhai Kuppam village where the fisheries families are living in the coastal area. The ground water table is very high. They have used those 32 toilets, they used urive for backyard kitchen garden also. After 3 to 4 years period, most of the toilets were disturbed due to construction of road, new hose construction, shifting family to Tsunami Rehabilitated House, etc. We have used the dry compost for vegetable crop in other village and tested the compost (EMS Lab, Auroville) before use it in the field .
      5. We built flush type toilets in Endiyur Village through Village Panchayath and women Pattadhaar Groups, everybody is using the toilet. It is great advantage for especially women, children, old age people.
      6.. Pl. find the attachment of excel sheet for individual breakup toilet estimate
      7. i already reported above for others question. pl. see it
      8.Govt. Subsidy will be received from the BDO by the beneficiaries after completion of the toilet
      8. The PIA need to understand the people needs, interest, resources, contribution, participation, etc to create knowledge skills, and use the resources for their dire need. We follow these strategies during the implementation phase and succeed.

      Thanking You,

      Dhanam.

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    Use of common toilets

    GRAVIS Jodhpur of GRAVIS

    Thanks for your proposal. It is very interesting and addresses a major need. Sometimes experiences on common toilets are challenging in terms of maintenance. How would you ensure its good use in long run. Prakash Tyagi GRAVIS

    Thanks for your proposal. It is very interesting and addresses a major need. Sometimes experiences on common toilets are challenging in terms of maintenance. How would you ensure its good use in long run.

    Prakash Tyagi
    GRAVIS

    • Varalakshmi VS of Aa Foundation for Community Development

      Good proposal based on my visit to one of your projects last year.yes how is the maintainace from the community as 4-5 HH shared the toilets?

      Good proposal based on my visit to one of your projects last year.yes how is the maintainace from the community as 4-5 HH shared the toilets?

    • Juergen Puetz of PALMYRA

      we expect minimum 10 households will use common toilet who don't have patta land especially scheduled tribes in the village. Each two families will use one room. Last year you have visited Eco-Pro Project, Auroville with Mrs. Sumathi not Palmyra activity. Thanks, Dhanam

      we expect minimum 10 households will use common toilet who don't have patta land especially scheduled tribes in the village. Each two families will use one room. Last year you have visited Eco-Pro Project, Auroville with Mrs. Sumathi not Palmyra activity.

      Thanks,

      Dhanam

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    Family and tribe contributions questions

    Dean Forbes of PhotoPhilanthropy

    Please provide an estimate of how much each family will be asked to contribute toward the construction and maintenance of its household toilet. Is it correct that the tribe (village) will collectively contribute $900 USD toward the cost of the two communal toilet facilities? How is this money raised and collected? Do families who are r...

    Please provide an estimate of how much each family will be asked to contribute toward the construction and maintenance of its household toilet.

    Is it correct that the tribe (village) will collectively contribute $900 USD toward the cost of the two communal toilet facilities? How is this money raised and collected? Do families who are receiving household toilet facilities also contributing to this fund?

    Thank you.

    • Kalpana Patel of PhotoPhilanthropy

      When you say "village panchayat will provide infrastructure, and electricity is one aspect of it, you mean panchayat will be paying the electricity bill throughout the year for until the facility is in working condition? Does this also mean that the money that the panchayat will provide will be coming indirectly from other villager residen...

      When you say "village panchayat will provide infrastructure, and electricity is one aspect of it, you mean panchayat will be paying the electricity bill throughout the year for until the facility is in working condition? Does this also mean that the money that the panchayat will provide will be coming indirectly from other villager residents?
      if this is the case, then it will be more economical on a long run to provide solar enabled lighting fixtures for such a facility. If you want help related to lighting, please let me know and i will try to help you out with specifications and details.

      Thank!

    • Juergen Puetz of PALMYRA

      Dear Kalpana Thanks for your information and suggestions. We have received request from colony and Tribal families for sanitation facility with Village panchayath consent. We requested the Village Panchayath(VP) to provide infrastructure such as electricity and water for regular maintenance of the public toilet in the village. The...

      Dear Kalpana

      Thanks for your information and suggestions.
      We have received request from colony and Tribal families for sanitation facility with Village panchayath consent.

      We requested the Village Panchayath(VP) to provide infrastructure such as electricity and water for regular maintenance of the public toilet in the village. They already accepted. once the project is approved Palmyra will have Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) which will pass in the VP meeting for their approval. We (Palmyra NGO) also erected Solar Street Lamp in 9 Watershed Areas under Waste Land Development Project. Its good idea. U can send the specifications, we will see the details.

      Thanks,
      Dhanam

    • Juergen Puetz of PALMYRA

      Dear Dean, Individual family has to put 50% of their contribution for individual toilet construction. Some families likes to provide water connection, fixing tiles, provide electricity,to use it night time, complete finishing of toilet which will increase the construction cost. Its depends upon their interest, ability to contribute ...

      Dear Dean,

      Individual family has to put 50% of their contribution for individual toilet construction. Some families likes to provide water connection, fixing tiles, provide electricity,to use it night time, complete finishing of toilet which will increase the construction cost. Its depends upon their interest, ability to contribute funds, labor from family members etc.

      The community contribution will be collected from toilet User Families from Tribal / Colony. Palmyra and the Working Group will collect it from individual user family for use of community toilet. The individual family who are construction individual toilet in their household will not contribute for the community toilet as well they will not use it also.
      Palmyra already had experience in community contribution collection for community based natural resource management projects (Example: Collected contribution for Tank Rehabilitation project with an amount of Rs.1.17 Crores in 6 years project period under ICEF)

      Thanks,

      Dhanam