: Improved traditional water wells in three Villages in Songea District

Applicant Tanzania Mission to the Poor and Disabled (PADI) Plan ID: 210
Status: rejected Review Cycle end date: 2009-08-29

Discussion Forum

tracking system and community contribution and maintenance cost

By Project Well Posted on Tue 04 Aug 2009, over 14 years ago

water quality monitoring is crucial of any new water system for at least 5-10 years until the results are known to be safe. It would be great to see the methods adopted by your organization on tracking using identification number of the mode of water supply, coordinates and locations and some documentation showing chemical, physical and bacteriological values of all the past and present, on-going projects. Do you have any data on bacteriological and chemical quality of the water of the springs used by the people in that area?

How much per family would contibute towards maintenance per month? The budget shows annual maintenance for each well as $8, does this mean USD70 is the annual maintenance cost of all thirty wells?

Various

By Boda Boda Initiatives Posted on Thu 23 Jul 2009, almost 15 years ago

PADI, you are focused on the water problems in your area and you are obviously experienced in managing the projects.
You have covered all vital areas including capacity building, monitoring and evaluation, community mobilization and contribution and have a small budget for all the work involved!

You are also well focused on project sustainability, community ownership, environmental awareness and protection.

You have covered all aspects of the project (perhaps due to experience) and I have no questions to ask!!

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By Tanzania Mission to the Poor and Disabled (PADI) Posted on Fri 24 Jul 2009, almost 15 years ago

Dear Beatrice Wamuhu thank you very much for your comment you have given us. All the best in supporting the needy people.
Regards
Iskaka L. Msigwa

Water quality

By Protos Posted on Tue 28 Jul 2009, over 14 years ago

Hi PADI folks,
Small remark: somewhere you're talking about "maintain the pump", but, as far as i understand, you don't have any pump in this spring capping device.
Bigger question/remark: as we have discussed last year, this technology can not garantee safe water since there is high risk of contamination of the undeep water table. So, this "intermediate" solution should be used only in those places where alternatives are not available (and can not be made available in the next years or in a sustainable way) and under the condition that hygiene sensitization and water quality monitoring reduce the risks of health problems. Can you further explain a bit what PADI is doing with respect to water quality monitoring ? to hygiene sensitization ? to community mobilization and social control to be sure that rules are followed by every single man, woman, child, visitor and passer-by ?

Water quality

By Tanzania Mission to the Poor and Disabled (PADI) Posted on Fri 07 Aug 2009, over 14 years ago

Dear Stef Lambrech, I am very sorry for not responding early to your questions, in our region for more than three weeks now we are facing a serious cut off of power due to the fact that over 65% of diesel machine used to produce electricity is not working waiting for spare from abroad (we have critical power problem most of works which depend on electricity have stopped or partially done in those days when the power is found).
On responding to your questions:
1. Small remark: "maintain the pump" : sorry this is typing error we are going to correct it.
2. Bigger question/remark:
• According to the water problem facing people in the project area limited funding sources this is the best alterative as it ensures clean and safe water than those wells before improved. Remember those un improved wells are open and easily accessed by several animals and human activities and some times are easily spoiled human activities. During rain season water from these sources are becoming very dirt. The cost used to construct one bore hole is able to be used to construct more than 30 improved traditional wells which also support large Number of people (it is cheaper) and stay in functioning for more than 15 years before requiring major repair . As you have said this "intermediate" solution should be used only in those places where alternatives are not available, and is what we are doing but bit save the purpose of supplying safe and clean water than before.
• To minimize risk of contaminations we educate community not to cultivate or practice any human activity within 100 meters around the wells, and we always encourage them to avoid deforestation instead practising a-forestation.
• They also have a routine of washing out the wells through wash out PVC once per week.
• Also there are some set rules within the village to ensure wells surroundings are maintained clean. Once among them do not conform with those set rules punishment is being administered either being given to clean the well surroundings or required to pay some money which may be used maintain the wells
• But we accept your observation for further water testing to see how much is safe for human use though for over ten years now the same water wells were constructed by the government and are sill being in use with clean water ( if I manage to get some chemical and physical analysis of the water from these sources we will share the informations).

Issues for clarification

By Safer Future Youth Development Project Posted on Thu 30 Jul 2009, over 14 years ago

Thank you so much for your submission.
Could you make the necessary clarification on the following issues?
1. What is the actual approximation of the targeted population? We are confused with the different numbers in your proposal (4000/9000).
2. Please review the numbers outlined for "People getting safe drinking water" and the calculation on "People getting sanitation".
3. Please clarify how many people for each well will be members of the WMC.
4. How much will the community members contribute to the WMF and what are the measures put to efficiently manage the funds?

On the budget:
1. You already selected three communities. Why do you need money to survey 32 other communities?
2. Please clarify the training section in the budget and give a more detailed explanation on the administration cost.

Re: Issues for clarification

By Blue Planet Network Posted on Tue 04 Aug 2009, over 14 years ago

Yes, please clarify all the numbers.

The "Number of people getting safe drinking water" is the number who will get water because of this project. Not the number getting to today.

How many people will be helped by this project?

Number of school children only applies if the project is at a school. It does not look like any of the 30 wells is at a school, so this should be zero.

If your project does not include construction of sanitation facilities, then that numbers should be zero.

Please correct all the numbers and submit, so we can understand better what you are going to do and how you are going to measure it.

Also, do you also have actual pictures of any of the 30 existing water sources? We would be happy to see a picture of all the 30 sources before and after. Right now, a few existing ones should be photographed and presented; that would be better than example photos of water sources.

Re: Issues for clarification

By Tanzania Mission to the Poor and Disabled (PADI) Posted on Fri 07 Aug 2009, over 14 years ago

Dear Rajesh first of all I am very sorry for not responding early to your questions, in our region for more than three weeks now we are facing a serious cut off of power due to the fact that over 65% of diesel machine used to produce electricity is not working waiting for spare from abroad (we have critical power problem most of works which depend on electricity have stopped or partially done in those days when the power is found).
Second I would like to respond to your questions.
1. The project I s going to benefit only 4000 (2300 women and 1700 are men as the targeted population) out of 9000 people from the three villages.
2. 500 people are accessing clean and safe water from piped water project supported by the government 10 years ago. They are accessing the water for several uses including washing clothes, latrine and house cleaning. That was the meaning of saying 500 people is getting safe drinking water and People getting sanitation.
3. It is true that, the project is planed for the community and not for school but the figure of 300 school children are accessing clean and safe water which is a support from the government 10 years ago (piped water). In this case therefore this project will not benefit direct the school children but indirect.
4. We are going to take some photos among 30 existing water sources and present it.

Issues for clarification

By Tanzania Mission to the Poor and Disabled (PADI) Posted on Fri 07 Aug 2009, over 14 years ago

Dear Idriss Kamara first of all I am very sorry for not responding early to your questions, in our region for more than three weeks now we are facing a serious cut off of power due to the fact that over 65% of diesel machine used to produce electricity is not working waiting for spare from abroad (we have critical power problem most of works which depend on electricity have stopped or partially done in those days when the power is found).
Second I would like to respond to your questions.
1. The project I s going to benefit only 4000 (2300 women and 1700 are men as the targeted population) out of 9000 people from the three villages.
2. 500 people are accessing clean and safe water from piped water project supported by the government 10 years ago. They are accessing the water for several uses including washing clothes, latrine and house cleaning. That was the meaning of saying 500 is getting safe drinking water and 500 getting sanitation.
3. In our proposal we have stated that each village will have 10 people members of the WMC. Therefore the number of WMC will depend on the number of wells constructed per village.
On budget.
1. We don’t need the money for survey from the donor but is the community contribution (in-kind). 32 should be the number of villagers who will volunteer in surveying 30 wells and no villages
2. Training will be done in the village level; no fund is requested from the donor in this activity. So long training will be done at village level it is expected that soon after morning hours participants will be allowed to get food at their home as their contribution to the project.
3. Administration costs will be used to pay Monthly allowances to :

Water extraction

By Blue Planet Network Posted on Tue 04 Aug 2009, over 14 years ago

Will water flow out of all the sources?
If yes, do you have taps?
If no, don't you need a pump?

There is no mention in your budget for this type of part. Please explain.

Water extraction

By Protos Posted on Thu 06 Aug 2009, over 14 years ago

I know the technology Rajesh and it works without taps nor pumps. It's just a protected well and water is flowing freely. These constructions are build at natural springs and help to concentrate the flows (in order to have a "spring" instead of a lot of mud) and to protect a little bit the water quality.
Nevertheless, water quality can not be garanteed and the system needs an appropriate behaviour of the surrounding people + good monitoring system.
I hope the PADI team can help us for a better understanding of their approch with respect to this water quality topic.

Water extraction

By Tanzania Mission to the Poor and Disabled (PADI) Posted on Fri 07 Aug 2009, over 14 years ago

Dear Stef Lambrecht thank you very much fo helping to clarify some technical is sues about our project. On the case of water quality :
• To minimize risk of contaminations we educate community not to cultivate or practice any human activity within 100 meters around the wells, and we always encourage them to avoid deforestation instead practising a-forestation.
• They also have a routine of washing out the wells through wash out PVC once per week.
• Also there are some set rules within the village to ensure wells surroundings are maintained clean. Once among them do not conform with those set rules punishment is being administered either being given to clean the well surroundings or required to pay some money which may be used maintain the wells

Water extraction

By Tanzania Mission to the Poor and Disabled (PADI) Posted on Fri 07 Aug 2009, over 14 years ago

Yes, the water flow out of all the sources, we use galvanize pipes of 1.5 inches diameter, bamboo stick of similar diameter is acting as stopper instead of taps, we don’t need pump the water flow out through gravitational forces, try to see the photo attached in our proposal.

Water extraction

By Tanzania Mission to the Poor and Disabled (PADI) Posted on Fri 07 Aug 2009, over 14 years ago

Yes, the water flow out of all the sources, we use galvanize pipes of 1.5 inches diameter, bamboo stick of similar diameter is acting as stopper instead of taps, we don’t need pump the water flow out through gravitational forces, try to see the photo attached in our proposal.

Water extraction

By Tanzania Mission to the Poor and Disabled (PADI) Posted on Wed 12 Aug 2009, over 14 years ago

Yes, the water flow out of all the sources, we use galvanize pipes of 1.5 inches diameter, bamboo stick of similar diameter is acting as stopper instead of taps, we don’t need pump the water flow out through gravitational forces, try to see the photo attached in our proposal.


Application Summary

Applicant :   Tanzania Mission to the Poor and Disabled (PADI)
Status : rejected
Country : TANZANIA Map